Yang Family Tai Chi Discussion Board

After the "1920" all the principal TJQ masters: - Yang Cheng Fu (1883-1936) [Yang family / style], - Wu Jian Quan (1870-1942) [Wu family / style] and - Hao Yue Ru (1877-1935) [Hao family / style] midified the TJQ and made it slow and continuous. Some said that they did that to make possibl...

I don't say that the Yang's didn't know the "Pao Chui", but only that it was not a part of their curriculum. Maybe the "Lineage Chart" ( http://www.geocities.com/oldyangtaijiquan/lineage3.htm ) seems only a speculation, but I think that it make sense. The percentages of hardness ...

One question to reflect: Why YLC didn't teached the "Pao Chui"? How is posible that, if we know that he learned from his teacher all the "martial art"?
I will give you the answer later in the discussion. The answer clarify a lot of obscurities.

I don't have all the answers. I will be interested how the Chen Style looked before the 1850. The (Yang) TJQ origins and developement is not clear. Maybe one day some documents will be revealed that will clarify it. Maybe there are not aviable documents or were all "destroyed" (by the comm...

The “Wudang” elements in the Yang Style are the (internal/soft) elements that we can find in the “Classics”. Some say that Chen Changxing told to Yang Lu Chan about his »Wudang« teacher and give him the writings of that (Wudang) art. Some also said that Yang Lu Chan visited the Wudang mountains wher...

The chart shows the simplified TJQ developement. It is the most probable theory! Yang and Chen Style was more similar at the time of Yang Lu Chan that they are today. Not only the Yang Style changed but also the Chen Style! Today we can't find documented "old Chen" and "old Yang"...

Look the Yang Taijiquan origins chart that I made:
http://www.geocities.com/oldyangtaijiquan/lineage3.htm
In my opinion it is the most probable.

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Graham, I read more than that. The article is from the "Chen Journal" and is a Chen's point of view. All the main Yang Style masters (Lu Chan, Ban Hou, Jian Hou, Shao Hou, Cheng Fu) regarded the Taijiquan as a Wudang martial art (Wudang origins). The theory of Chen Wang Ting as a source of...

JerryKarin - I agree with you. I also understand the beliefs of others, but I can't agree with everybody. The problem is that there is not clear history about Taijiquan and its developement. Who is/has right?

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I think that the history is important. There is not important "who" created TJQ (also beacause it was not created by one person but through time), but we must know it origins. Not only the Yang Taijiquan is a useful martial art, so is important what style you want to learn! Maybe you trust...

DavidJ - Do not confuse the Jiang Fa - friend of Chen Wang Ting with a Jiang Fa – teacher of Chen Chang Hsiang! They are two different persons. Some said that the Chens modified the data of the time when the Jiang Fa comes in Chen village. I don't know what is true. I can only say that I belive to t...

DavidJ - YLC was a teacher of the "bodyguards" of the Imperial Family, so his art was without no doubt one of the bests aviable. YLC got the whole of the art from Chen Chang Hsiang, but my opinion is that Chen Chang Hsiang was also teached by Jiang Fa (not only the Chen Family Pao Chui). Y...

Wushuer, the Taiji Classics say: »It is said if the opponent does not move, then I do not move. At the opponent's slightest move, I move first.« This is without doubt "passive" (as you called it) martial art (but is active when is needed). I practice the TJQ only as a »Martial Art«. I not ...

TJQ is a Martia Art. It is a pacific Martial Art, because it is purposed to be used as "Self-defence" (to defend against an attack). YLC used it as a MA and also YCF used it as a MA. TJQ is also a type of Qigong and so has "side effects" (good influence) on Health. Use TYQ for &q...

I am not a Yang Taijiquan authority that I can "claim" that, I only resumed some of the disciples of YCF. One of the best masters of Yang Style Taijiquan was the YCF eldest son Yang Sau Chung and in his book "Practical Use of Tai Chi Chuan: It's Application and Variations" the ma...