Your word is well taken, UniTaiChi!Anyway, I am not trying to convince anyone. Just to let it be known that there are such skill.
I have not heard him saying that he is able to read/feel energy w/o touching. However, at 0:05 he was telling the girl that was the energy from her body.The teacher in this video shows (from his speech) that he is able to read/feel energy w/o touching.
Yes, your are right to said that you didn't heard him said. Because I wrote , from his speech, not in his speech.I have not heard him saying that he is able to read/feel energy w/o touching.
Your quote is exactly what I said from his conversation with the girl.However, at 0:05 he was telling the girl that was the energy from her body.
On the implication, it is your own. Nobody said that.Here is mmho about the video. The girl dancer has no Tai Chi quan experience. She was asked to do a sitting stance and able to issue jin. The implication was that one may issue jin without diligent practice as long one can do the sitting stance is correct?
The teacher took 7 yrs to get the stance right, that means now he can do it every time. That means he has put in the time to train it to his present level. In the video, he also commented that one of the student at the practice, took 3 yrs. So I asked you, did you take these data into consideration before asking/stating your question below ??? My view is that you read passed all that and so do not fully understand the post. But you are in good company.he teacher said it took him 7 years to do stance right; and he was proud of the girl dancer which she can do it in one day with no fajin experience.
The answer is Yes. We need to diligently practice over time to achieved a skill or in this case, even a particular skill set.For that being said, do we still need to practice Tai Chi diligently for a prolong period to accomplish fa jin?
Hi, UniTaichiUniTaichi wrote:Hi CD,
The teacher took 7 yrs to get the stance right, that means now he can do it every time. That means he has put in the time to train it to his present level. In the video, he also commented that one of the student at the practice, took 3 yrs. So I asked you, did you take these data into consideration before asking/stating your question below ??? My view is that you read passed all that and so do not fully understand the post. But you are in good company.
One more piece of info you did not get is my comment that the girl was a dancer. I did not put that info for fun, it's data. Dancers are trained body alignment in their dance lessons right from the beginning. Their ''core'' is = to our Dantian. One have to get it right from the very beginning. So she would have, said a couple of yrs of perfected training(like the teacher), which was not taken into consideration. Meaning , she is able to do those skill because she have already a few yrs of similar basic foundation.
On fajin . I would like to ask you what is your opinion and how you compare the one in my post with the 2 you posted on another thread ? Do you think they are the same type of fajin or using same method ? Or are they different, using different method. ? Also can you do the fajin posted in your 2nd video. (1st video cannot play. Good if you can post it again or something similar.)
Cheers,
UniTaichi
What you have posted above is the way 法 which one express the 8 八 energies 棚捋挤按採挒肘靠 .ChiDragon wrote:Hi, UTC
Here is the eight most effective way of fa jin. Call them methods if you want. I was asked can I do them. I am not perfect. However, if one practice Tai Chi long enough, it will become a natural reflex instantaneously. Of course, with more practice exclusively, in these methods will make it perfect.
Here is one with elaborated explanation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqjRbJYaG_k
太极八法（棚捋挤按採挒肘靠） with application.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rvvBLe0HPQ
Method of fajin means ; the various ways of generating jin in internal TJQ. There are as many asTo answer your question, there are no difference in method of fa jin.
One cannot just pick someone from the street and perform a certain stance to fa jin.
LOL Perplex is right. It took me many many moons to have the pleasure of discovery. If you don't believe in Ab Breathing is the key to achieve high level of Taichi or Kung Fu, then, try without it and see how far can you get. Wish you lots of luck.UniTaichi wrote:Hi CD, All,
Yes, it is as perplexing as reading your understanding of taichi Qi is only Breathing and by just doing Ab Breathing somehow can enable one to do the xiao zhao tien and achieve high level taichi kungfu.
Cheers,
UniTaichi
It seems this skill plays an important role in some Tai Chi methods and is certainly useful if people have success with it. For my part, I don't think focusing on "sensing qi" has played a significant role in my study at any level, nor expect that it ever will. I may or may not do it, but It's not a main ingredient in the "recipe" of what I study nor a major signpost on the path I have been following or expect to follow. To the extent I have been taught about qi or teach about it myself, it is a part of basic practice, not high-level practice. As a part of basic practice, people vary in their ability to use it according to their experience and training, but it should be there at some level almost from the very beginning of practice.Pls take note that these methods are to increased your qi accumulation and train your sensitivity. Dr,Yang teaching is only one of many method teaching these skill.
I think I may agree with the sentiment behind the third sentence, but would prefer to word it differently and not to imply that "touch" is the only sense used. I would say that we practice "listening" mainly through touch, but also secondarily through sight and hearing. With time practicing this method and the help of some other exercises, we also gain an ability to know what to do when the opponent has not yet touched us. I don't think the basics of our method focus much on what happens when no contact is involved or immediately contemplated.I think the "no touching method" had been existed once in the ancient time. However, I don't think it was used by the Tai Chi practitioners. I believe 聽勁(ting jin), in push hand, is strictly by touching to sense the jin of the opponent.
I am not sure what is being demonstrated with the dancer and do not recognize the skill.https://youtu.be/x71OrrhTSAc?list=FLzrM ... HTjtjPjIdQ
The teacher in this video shows (from his speech) that he is able to read/feel energy w/o touching. The lady in the video is a dancer and is the first time joining the taiji group.She was able to do the energetic skill in their practice because her body alignment is good.
I do recognize and practice these skills. As in many styles, they are a part of our curriculum.Here is one with elaborated explanation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqjRbJYaG_k
太极八法（棚捋挤按採挒肘靠） with application.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rvvBLe0HPQ
My terminology is a little different, but more or less agree with this statement. A few clarifications might help, however.Fa jin(發勁) is an esoteric Tai Chi term. (勁) is the internal strength acquired from prolong practice of Tai Chi Quan. There are eight most effective positions, in Tai Chi, to fa jin. The modern practitioners called the jin as explosive force. To answer your question, there are no difference in method of fa jin. The only difference is the positon which the practitioner was in to have the most effective way to do so.
Interestingly for one of the concurrent threads on "intent" (意), this Chinese character appears five times in this document (including two I did not quote). Louis used four different words to translate it, according to context ("meaning" (twice), "attention,' "intention," and "purpose"). If this document speaks to how you think you need to study as it does to me, this is one concept that would be worth to understand.The thirteen principal postures are not to be underestimated.
The source of meaning is in the region of the waist.
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For each and every posture, concentrate your mind and consider the meaning of the applications.
You will not get it without consciously expending a great deal of time and effort (gongfu).
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Moment by moment, keep the mind/heart (xin) on the waist.
With the lower abdomen completely loosened, the qi will ascend on its own.
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If inquiry proceeds without regard to this,
one's efforts (gongfu) will be wasted, and this will only cause one to sigh with regret.
Greetings! Frankfchai wrote:Greetings,
My humble contribution on fajin is just this. A practitioner should have Jin with her/him at all times. Whether they choose to express it is dependent on the circumstances. And it can be against something animate or inanimate.
Frank
I have great sympathy for your approach and the thought that everyone can and should practice Tai Chi at their own level and for their own goals.I have recently started one of my classes on the practice of tui shou. Being old farts, me included, I emphasise more about rooting, yielding and ting Jin. The reason is rather obvious. Older folks are not really into attack and defense, though I do explain and show how each move in the long form might be used in this fashion martially. However, I do want them to have a stable base (rooting), to yield against any forces that come at them rather than to typically react by countering with an opposite force, with the result that they will possibly get injured. These forces can be animate or inanimate. The use of the waist is an integral part of this with the execution of absorption, dissolving and redirection. The reason I make this contributary input is because too often folks focus excessively on fajin, and only mention the other elements of tui shou as a footnote.