Imperial Yang Taiji Longfist clips- sorry had camera on tv so quality isnt very clear-
http://www.polariswushu.net/imperilyang ... ngquan.mpg
http://www.polariswushu.net/imperilyang ... gquan1.mpg
http://www.polariswushu.net/imperilyang ... gquan2.mpg
http://www.polariswushu.net/imperilyang ... gquan3.mpg
other interesting clips of Imperial Yang- old frame and small frame, Fast Wu, ect.
http://www.polariswushu.net/Sampler.html
Yang lineage and other translations
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Richard Man
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by mls_72:
other interesting clips of Imperial Yang- old frame and small frame, Fast Wu, ect.
http://www.polariswushu.net/Sampler.html[/B]</font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Perfect timing! In another group, we were just talking about Wu Fast Form. The one I just learned is a variation of the one on this site, which is the one MYL did. I have a copy of MYL doing the form too, but now I can just point people to this site!
Thanks!
other interesting clips of Imperial Yang- old frame and small frame, Fast Wu, ect.
http://www.polariswushu.net/Sampler.html[/B]</font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Perfect timing! In another group, we were just talking about Wu Fast Form. The one I just learned is a variation of the one on this site, which is the one MYL did. I have a copy of MYL doing the form too, but now I can just point people to this site!
Thanks!
Greetings all,
I have been taught that one of the main faults to avoid in push hands drills is to allow the point of contact to slide around or slip. This was described as a failure to stick. I have also thought of the fault as being the same as having gears slip. Could this perhaps be one of the meanings intended by hua2 chuan2?
Also, for what it may be worth, the push hands drills described in Yuri's text sound similar to the "standard" drills I have learned, although I have never heard the names that are given to them in the text.
Take care,
Audi
I have been taught that one of the main faults to avoid in push hands drills is to allow the point of contact to slide around or slip. This was described as a failure to stick. I have also thought of the fault as being the same as having gears slip. Could this perhaps be one of the meanings intended by hua2 chuan2?
Also, for what it may be worth, the push hands drills described in Yuri's text sound similar to the "standard" drills I have learned, although I have never heard the names that are given to them in the text.
Take care,
Audi
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Louis Swaim
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Greetings Audi,
Re: “I have been taught that one of the main faults to avoid in push hands drills is to allow the point of contact to slide around or slip. This was described as a failure to stick. I have also thought of the fault as being the same as having gears slip. Could this perhaps be one of the meanings intended by hua2 chuan2?”
I’m not sure that catches the intended meaning in this particular context. I haven’t encountered hua2 being used in any taiji documents with that particular meaning (a failure to stick), but that doesn’t mean it hasn’t been used that way. The more I look into this, however, I am increasingly conviced that the hua2quan2 terminology is a derogatory reference to insufficiently developed gongfu. The Cihai dictionary gives a pertinent definition for hua2 as “superficial and insubstantial (fu2 er3 bu4 shi2), as in skill that is merely crafty or superficial.
I found yet another commentary on the “Ba-wu shisanshi changquan jie.” This one is Meng Naichang’s commentary in his book, _Taijiquan pu yu mipu jiaozhu_ (Taijiquan manuals and secret manuals, annotated. Hong Kong: Hai Feng pub., 1993). Meng glossed the hua2 character as “you2hua2” (oil/slick). Although not a completely unambiguous definition, it seems in line with the “cunning, crafty” meaning. Some of the definitions of you2hua2 are: “slippery and sly; suave and crafty; foxy; insincere; unctuous.”
Take care,
Louis
Re: “I have been taught that one of the main faults to avoid in push hands drills is to allow the point of contact to slide around or slip. This was described as a failure to stick. I have also thought of the fault as being the same as having gears slip. Could this perhaps be one of the meanings intended by hua2 chuan2?”
I’m not sure that catches the intended meaning in this particular context. I haven’t encountered hua2 being used in any taiji documents with that particular meaning (a failure to stick), but that doesn’t mean it hasn’t been used that way. The more I look into this, however, I am increasingly conviced that the hua2quan2 terminology is a derogatory reference to insufficiently developed gongfu. The Cihai dictionary gives a pertinent definition for hua2 as “superficial and insubstantial (fu2 er3 bu4 shi2), as in skill that is merely crafty or superficial.
I found yet another commentary on the “Ba-wu shisanshi changquan jie.” This one is Meng Naichang’s commentary in his book, _Taijiquan pu yu mipu jiaozhu_ (Taijiquan manuals and secret manuals, annotated. Hong Kong: Hai Feng pub., 1993). Meng glossed the hua2 character as “you2hua2” (oil/slick). Although not a completely unambiguous definition, it seems in line with the “cunning, crafty” meaning. Some of the definitions of you2hua2 are: “slippery and sly; suave and crafty; foxy; insincere; unctuous.”
Take care,
Louis
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In my opinion Taiji Chang Quan is Taijiquan performed in the "Application Frame" (at the "speed" as is used as a martial art). The execution of the "Chang Quan" differs from master to master, because there are many ways to interprete Taijiquan
movements (and each master has his own interpretation).
There is no "Chang Quan" as the "Second form" (like Pao Chui in Chen Style) in the Yang Style. Yes, maybe at the time of "Yang Lu Chan" existed a (fast) form with (the rests of) Chen Style elements - a "primordial" version of Taijiquan that extincted.
In my (re)searching I found that many Taijiquan versions that originate from Yang (Lu Chan) Style has the "advanced" way to practice:
- Wu Jian Quan "Taiji Quai Quan"
- Yang Cheng Fu "Taiji Chang Quan"
- Yang Shao Hou "Small frame"
All these styles (mostly) removed the "old" (Chen) elements from their curiculum and are mainly "fast forms" versions of the "Slow form".
Also as I understand from the Louis Swaim translation of the "Taiji changquan Preface" from the Chen Weiming's book
(I don't understand why Barbara Davis didn't translated that in her book!?) there is no a "Changquan" form! Yang Cheng Fu taught to Chen Weiming "movements" that derivated from "Changquan" (i.e. Long Boxing). The "Taiji changquan" in the book is a creation of Chen Wei Ming who merged Taijiquan and Changquan in a single "form".
Yang Cheng Fu didn't teached Changquan (movements), maybe because it was discontinued from the Curriculum.
movements (and each master has his own interpretation).
There is no "Chang Quan" as the "Second form" (like Pao Chui in Chen Style) in the Yang Style. Yes, maybe at the time of "Yang Lu Chan" existed a (fast) form with (the rests of) Chen Style elements - a "primordial" version of Taijiquan that extincted.
In my (re)searching I found that many Taijiquan versions that originate from Yang (Lu Chan) Style has the "advanced" way to practice:
- Wu Jian Quan "Taiji Quai Quan"
- Yang Cheng Fu "Taiji Chang Quan"
- Yang Shao Hou "Small frame"
All these styles (mostly) removed the "old" (Chen) elements from their curiculum and are mainly "fast forms" versions of the "Slow form".
Also as I understand from the Louis Swaim translation of the "Taiji changquan Preface" from the Chen Weiming's book
(I don't understand why Barbara Davis didn't translated that in her book!?) there is no a "Changquan" form! Yang Cheng Fu taught to Chen Weiming "movements" that derivated from "Changquan" (i.e. Long Boxing). The "Taiji changquan" in the book is a creation of Chen Wei Ming who merged Taijiquan and Changquan in a single "form".
Yang Cheng Fu didn't teached Changquan (movements), maybe because it was discontinued from the Curriculum.
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Re: Yang lineage and other translations
Hello, I know this is an old discussion thread. I've been aware of it for some time, and also that I'm listed above as a student of Huang Wei Lun. Lu Zi Ling 4th Generation was Huang Wei Lun's teacher. My family name is Cobb, and my personal name is James Andrew, tho' I am know as Jaime Cobb D.C., D.O.M. I studied with Huang Wei Lun for about 33 years, until he passed on, learning Yang Style Long Form, Yang Style Sword Form, Yang Style Fast Form, and many related qi gong. I also studied Hsing I Chuan, Ba Gua Zhang, and Liu He Ba Fa Chuan with Sifu Huang. I would be happy to discuss internal arts with interested and serious parties. Sifu Huang had many students, some of whom became quite accomplished. I do not see any of them listed in the lineage above.