"When one part moves..."
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:01 pm
Greetings everyone,
I am a Wu Style practitioner. .
Thanks,
Jim R
I am a Wu Style practitioner. .
Thanks,
Jim R
all tai chi enthusiasts welcome
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There will be a nonmoving part of the body attached to the ground to provide the rooting. It would seem that only an external martial art which pushes off from the ground to generate sustained momentum to attack can qualify as "there is no part that does not move".
I think I agree with Louis's statement. At the Association seminar in Buffalo this year, Yang Jun talked about the fact that we cannot fully talk about Yin-Yang terms without declaring first what the standard of comparison is. He talked mostly about empty and full, but I think this applies equally to movement and stillness. Empty and full of what? Movement and stillness with respect to what?I don't find the concept at odds with the Wu Jianquan statement you quote (although I wish I could read his original remarks in Chinese), because there are different levels on which one can talk about action, movement, relative movement, and whether we're including mental intent in the category of movement.
Could you elaborate on your reasoning for this particular sequence, for I think we may be giving a different meaning to these words? Your statement does not appear to match what I see in my teacher, what I feel in my own body, or what my students see in me. Also, some masters say that the waist governs the changes of empty and full. How could this be so if it is the primary engine of Fajin? Do you feel that Fajin can be "empty" in some way? How do you generate power in the kicks with your waist?I have heard this from the classical writing for some time I think this is another big error as well as "when one part moves..." , when it describes such a sequence and I see a different sequence for the generation of jin. One can think of reasoning for the following statement, but I also find my own experience of fa jin bears it out as well:
I see it rooted in the feet, generated by the waist, controlled by the legs and manifested through the fingers.
Jim, I do not think I am familiar with this theory, do you have a written reference? Or did you receive it as part of oral teaching or learn it through your experience?Still for one to achieve internal movement, when one part of the body moves (yang) the rest of the body is completely still (yin).
I have had only a little exposure to small-frame practice; however, what I have experienced seemed to use weight shifts and leg pushing in the same way I was used to. This is the first I have heard that there is a difference in the theory. I also thought that Wu and Wu/Hao stylists especially practiced small frame, but still adhered to almost the same Tai Chi classics I have studied. Do you feel that Young Wabu follows different theories from what Wu Jianquan followed, or merely that Wu Jianquan theories had varying prescriptions depending on the size of the frame? I am aware that the Wu Family Tai Chi form has continued to evolve, but I thought that the basic theory was the same.I see the standard of comparison here as being between large frame and compact or even tight compact frames . I practice both a compact and tight compact frame as passed on from Wu Jianquan to his disciple Young Wabu. In writing this I recall coming across a statement by Yang Jun that he did not practice a small frame.
I think I understand what you are proposing; however, I still find the emphasis surprising.As far as elaborating on reasoning for “rooted in the feet, generated by the waist, controlled by the legs and manifested through the fingers”, it is important to remember not only the difference in frame size that I speak of here but how equal and opposite force will be sent from the waist downward through the pelvis to the leg, finally absorbed by the ground through the foot. During that instant, the buttock and leg will naturally energize to transmit the force to feet, thus firming the lower body structure to support the fa jin.
For me, I consider this use of the legs generally similar to what happens in most sports I have played. It is how I hit a baseball, a tennis ball, a volleyball, lift a heavy weight, push a car, thrust with the staff, or drive my rising leg in Golden Rooster. All involve weight shifting and thrusting with the back leg. I also feel this movement very strongly during moving step applications, to the point that I find it good to warn those new to it not to use the same force they might use in fixed step to avoid injuring their partners. During some of these applications, you can even lift the thrusting foot off the ground as the waist continues to transform the energy. We do not use the thrusting foot to accept energy from the waist and transmit it to the ground, since this would involving making it empty with respect to the energy when we want it to be full.What I fail to understand is how external leg power used to stimulate forward and lateral fa jin can be effective? I watch sprinters for instance who use a crouch position on starter blocks, rather than starting from an upright position. They want tremendous acceleration but they have to almost hobble themselves to do it. Reason being is the movement from the ground through the leg is strongest in the upward direction. To use leg power in Tai Chi at an upright position to effect a push forward move, the move will have a low acceleration from rest in contrast to fa jin from the waist which can be made to have a sudden burst motion.