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Posted: **Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:50 pm**

Hi, all
There was an open loop in the mitochondrial thread about the amount of blood flow with respect to the heart rate. In this regard, the heartbeat can be faster or slower even with a healthy heart under different conditions. Please keep in mind, we are concerning with a healthy heart only. Thus we are not comparing a healthy heart with an unhealthy one.

Here are some of the questions we should ask ourselves:
1. Is the amount of blood flow in the heart affected by the speed of the heartbeat?
2. Does the heart behave differently under both exercises?
3. What is the major difference between aerobic and TJQ?

Is there anyone would like to give it a try? Any thoughts?

I would look into the definition of aerobic exercise first and go from there.

Back right back, time for my Tai Chi practice!

Posted: **Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:16 pm**

ChiDragon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:50 pm Hi, all
There was an open loop in the mitochondrial thread about the amount of blood flow with respect to the heart rate. In this regard, the heartbeat can be faster or slower even with a healthy heart under different conditions. Please keep in mind, we are concerning with a healthy heart only. Thus we are not comparing a healthy heart with an unhealthy one.

Here are some of the questions we should ask ourselves:
1. Is the amount of blood flow in the heart affected by the speed of the heartbeat?
2. Does the heart behave differently under both exercises?
3. What is the major difference between aerobic and TJQ?

Is there anyone would like to give it a try? Any thoughts?

I would look into the definition of aerobic exercise first and go from there.

Back right back, time for my Tai Chi practice!

Good Morning CD,
I'm glad that you are going back to your Tai Chi practice. Taiji is known to be a good practice to get rid of too many "?"....the monkey mind.
Ciao,
yslim

Posted: **Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:03 pm**

Is Tai Ji Quan(TJQ) the same as aerobic exercise?
Let's understand what aerobic exercise is, first, before one can determine whether Tai Chi fits into such category?

1. What is the definition of an aerobic exercise?
Also called aerobic exercises. (used with a plural verb) any of various sustained exercises, as jogging, rowing, swimming, or cycling, that stimulate and strengthen the heart and lungs, thereby improving the body's utilization of oxygen.

Aerobic-exercises | Define Aerobic-exercises at Dictionary.com
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/aerobic-exercises

2. What are the aerobic exercises?
Examples of aerobic exercises include cardio machines, spinning, running, swimming, walking, hiking, aerobics classes, dancing, cross country skiing, and kickboxing. There are many other types. Aerobic exercises can become anaerobic exercises if performed at a level of intensity that is too high. Jun 23, 2007

Aerobic and Anaerobic Exercise: Examples and Benefits - MedicineNet
https://www.medicinenet.com/aerobic_exe ... rticle.htm

3. What is difference between aerobic and anaerobic?
As we touched on, the main difference between aerobic and anaerobic respiration is whether or not oxygen is present. Aerobic respiration needs oxygen to occur, while anaerobic does not. ... During aerobic respiration, carbon dioxide, water, and ATP are produced.

Differences Between Aerobic vs. Anaerobic Respiration - Video ...
https://study.com/academy/.../differenc ... ation.html

4. What happens to your body during aerobic exercise?
During aerobic exercise your body must supply fuel for working muscles. ... Your muscles will require more oxygen during this phase. Your heart beats faster and your lungs breathe deeper to deliver oxygen through your small blood vessels to muscles.

Posted: **Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:11 pm**

Aerobic exercises can become anaerobic exercises if performed at a level of intensity that is too high.

1. The about condition has to do with the lactate threshold.
Lactate threshold. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Lactate inflection point (LIP), is the exercise intensity at which the blood concentration of lactate and/or lactic acid begins to exponentially increase. It is often expressed as 85% of maximum heart rate or 75% of maximum oxygen intake.
Lactate threshold - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactate_threshold

2. What causes lactate threshold?
Lactate Threshold. Lactate threshold is defined as the intensity of exercise at which lactate begins to accumulate in the blood at a faster rate than it can be removed. ... The breakdown of ATP provides the energy needed to contract exercising muscles.
Lactate Threshold and V02 Max Explained | ACTIVE
https://www.active.com/triathlon/articl ... -explained

3. What is lactate threshold training?
The lactate threshold is a point during exhaustive, all-out exercise at which lactate builds up in the bloodstream faster than the body can remove it. ... Presumably, having a higher lactate threshold means an athlete can continue at a high-intensity effort with a longer time to exhaustion.Jun 18, 2018
Lactate Threshold Training (LT) Programs for Athletes - Verywell Fit
https://www.verywellfit.com/lactate-thr ... ng-3120092

4. Why is lactate threshold important?
Consistency is the key to improving performance at lactate threshold. ... If the muscles can increase workloads or stress while maintaining a faster pace at aerobic levels, you can spare muscle glycogen while at the same time decreasing the amount of blood lactate produced.
The Performance Benefits of Lactate Threshold Testing and Training ...
https://trainright.com/the-performance- ... -training/

5. What happens when you reach your lactate threshold?
Lactate threshold is defined as the intensity of exercise at which lactate begins to accumulate in the blood at a faster rate than it can be removed. This is problematic because as a result, unbuffered acid is added to the blood, a condition that makes you feel like you have to vomit and stop right away.
Lactate Threshold and V02 Max Explained | ACTIVE
https://www.active.com/triathlon/articl ... -explained

Posted: **Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:15 pm**

OK! Why am I feeding all these information? The reason is I want to let you know that a Tai Chi practitioner will not and never reach the lactate threshold.

Posted: **Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:42 pm**

ChiDragon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:15 pm OK! Why am I feeding all these information? The reason is I want to let you know that a Tai Chi practitioner will not never reach the lactate threshold.

Good Morning CD,

"OK! Why am I feeding all these information?". Maybe the monkey mind makes you do it? Shall we just practice "Tai Chi" versus "Taiji" and let it lead us to "Taiji as it is"- become Master Of One, and leave Aerobic alone?. Let us not practice to become a Jack Of All Trade?.

Fang song the mind,
yslim

Posted: **Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:58 pm**

yslim wrote: ↑Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:42 pm Good Morning CD,

"OK! Why am I feeding all these information?". Maybe the monkey mind makes you do it? Shall we just practice "Tai Chi" versus "Taiji" and let it lead us to "Taiji as it is"- become Master Of One, and leave Aerobic alone?. Let us not practice to become a Jack Of All Trade?.

Fang song the mind,
yslim

Good afternoon! Mr Lim(林先生)
How long have you been practicing TJQ? How much do you understand about it. It is not a Jack of All Trades. It is how much do you know what is taken place inside the body while you are practicing.

There are three conditions, in practicing TJQ, that most people have fallen in; which one are you?

1. 死練太極
2. 練死太極
3. 練太極死

Posted: **Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:53 pm**

Sorry for the unnecessary interruption!

Aerobic-exercise was defined in Medicine as follows:

A system of physical conditioning to enhance circulatory and respiratory efficiency that involves vigorous, sustained exercise, such as jogging, swimming, or cycling, thereby improving the body's use of oxygen.

The vigorous and sustained exercises mentioned above only use the oxygen for a very short time. The so-called sustained exercise is not really a sustained exercise. The reason is that this kind of exercises are too vigorous and strenuous which will use up the oxygen in the body in no time. The lack of oxygen will cause a lactate build up in the body. As a result, it will cause body fatigue and muscle pain. In the worse case, it also increase the heart rate and made the heart work much harder for no reason. Finally, the body has to stop exercising and rest until the heartbeat is back to normal and the oxygen debt was paid.

A Tai Chi body will not and never reach the lactate threshold, at anytime, as in those strenuous exercises. In Tai Chi, the lactic acid will not build up in the body due to the ample of oxygen which was provided by the abdominal breathing. Especially, Tai Chi was done in slow motion and the breathing is slow, long and deep. Hence, Tai Chi is not a strenuous exercise. It is good good for the heart and lung.

The Aerobic-exercises were claimed good for the lung and heart. IMHO It is good, only and only, for the lung but not the heart.

Posted: **Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:51 pm**

2. What are the aerobic exercises?
Examples of aerobic exercises include cardio machines, spinning, running, swimming, walking, hiking, aerobics classes, dancing, cross country skiing, and kickboxing. There are many other types. Aerobic exercises can become anaerobic exercises if performed at a level of intensity that is too high. Jun 23, 2007

The purpose of aerobic exercises is to increase the intake of oxygen for the heart to work more efficient. The heart requires energy for each beat. The ATP energy is manufactured from the glucose and oxygen. Does Tai Chi fit into the category of aerobic exercises? The answer is yes. Yes, it is because the goal of Tai Chi is to improve the respiration system. However, Tai Chi is done in a much slower pace. The breathing and action in aerobic are done in a very swift manner. Thus it will decrease the intake of oxygen after awhile. The oxygen in the muscles will be burnt up quickly due to the high demand of energy for the swift actions. However, Tai Chi does not have this problem due to slowness in motion.

The slow motion doesn't burn up the oxygen as fast as in aerobic. The Tai Chi breathing is slow, long and deep. It allows more time for the oxygenated blood to be delivered throughout the body. The body cells can produce more energy than the body can consume due to the ample supply of oxygen. That is why a Tai Chi practitioner does not go into a fatigue mood. Unfortunately, if the aerobic exercises were done too vigorously, then, it will become anaerobic. The anaerobic condition will not occur in Tai Chi Quan. Therefore, Tai Chi may be considered to be true aerobic and make the heart works much more efficient.

Posted: **Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:49 pm**

ChiDragon wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:51 pm
2. What are the aerobic exercises?
Examples of aerobic exercises include cardio machines, spinning, running, swimming, walking, hiking, aerobics classes, dancing, cross country skiing, and kickboxing. There are many other types. Aerobic exercises can become anaerobic exercises if performed at a level of intensity that is too high. Jun 23, 2007
The purpose of aerobic exercises is to increase the intake of oxygen for the heart to work more efficient. The heart requires energy for each beat. The ATP energy is manufactured from the glucose and oxygen. Does Tai Chi fit into the category of aerobic exercises? The answer is yes. Yes, it is because the goal of Tai Chi is to improve the respiration system. However, Tai Chi is done in a much slower pace. The breathing and action in aerobic are done in a very swift manner. Thus it will decrease the intake of oxygen after awhile. The oxygen in the muscles will be burnt up quickly due to the high demand of energy for the swift actions. However, Tai Chi does not have this problem due to slowness in motion.

The slow motion doesn't burn up the oxygen as fast as in aerobic. The Tai Chi breathing is slow, long and deep. It allows more time for the oxygenated blood to be delivered throughout the body. The body cells can produce more energy than the body can consume due to the ample supply of oxygen. That is why a Tai Chi practitioner does not go into a fatigue mood. Unfortunately, if the aerobic exercises were done too vigorously, then, it will become anaerobic. The anaerobic condition will not occur in Tai Chi Quan. Therefore, Tai Chi may be considered to be true aerobic and make the heart works much more efficient.

ChiDragon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:50 pm
Good morning CD,
May I borrowing the following quote to answer your above post? Thank you.Ciao, yslim

How long have you been practicing TJQ? How much do you understand about it. It is how much do you know what is taken place inside the body while you are practicing.

There are three conditions, in practicing TJQ, that most people have fallen in; which one are you?

1. 死練太極
2. 練死太極
3. 練太極死

Posted: **Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:56 pm**

yslim wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:49 pm Good morning CD,
May I borrowing the following quote to answer your above post? Thank you.Ciao, yslim

How long have you been practicing TJQ? How much do you understand about it. It is how much do you know what is taken place inside the body while you are practicing.

There are three conditions, in practicing TJQ, that most people have fallen in; which one are you?

1. 死練太極
2. 練死太極
3. 練太極死

Good afternoon, sylim
May I assume that you do not understand what I had said or the lack of knowledge on the other side of science. Perhaps you are 練死太極 or 食古不化.

PS This is the space age. We must put the traditional concept aside and update our thinking. Please do not contaminate this thread if you don't have anything valuable to contribute. Thanks!

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